141. Real People, Real Situations, and Real Divorce: A Client’s Journey Through the MDS Process

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Welcome to WeChat Divorce, hosted by Karen Chalou, Legal Liaison and Catherine Shanahan, CDFA.

Each episode we sit down with divorce professionals and industry experts to provide insights and frank discussions about real people, real situations, and real divorce to help you achieve your best life post divorce.

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Welcome to WeChat Divorce, brought to you by My Divorce Solution.

Today, Catherine and I are excited to bring you an episode titled Real People, Real Situations and Real Divorce, a client’s journey through the MD’s process.

We’ll be welcoming Nicole Farha to the podcast.

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Nicole is not only a Certified Divorce coach, but also a former MD’s client who experienced first hand the power of financial clarity during divorce.

After going through the MD’s financial portrait process, she achieved a successful financial outcome and gained the confidence to move forward with her next chapter.

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Today, she’s here with us to share her journey, her insights, and why she believes financial preparation is key for anyone considering or going through the divorce process.

Before we welcome her and Karen, I can remember her and her husband, You know, she was the one of the clients who said my husband will never participate.

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Let me tell you how to communicate with him.

You know, because she’s a coach and you know, he did communicate with us.

He did participate.

And I believe they came to a really good agreement.

And I believe she used her attorney just as a reviewing attorney.

And her attorney loved working with us.

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So it was one of those cases.

But how many times do people say, Oh, my spouse is not going to participate?

Right.

That a, that happens a lot and people can’t believe it, but you know, actually there’s spouses are smart enough to know a they want to know what you know, right.

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So he probably wanted to know what Nicole was doing in the 1st place, so he was going to hop in.

Where they want to tell us what we don’t know, even though we know.

Right.

That’s so true.

And you know, the second element of that with Nicole and many, many others is their spouses are charming, right to the outside world.

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That’s a very common dynamic.

And so then when we respond not favorably but nicely and engaging, they believe that we’ve misread them, right?

So they think that we’re creating emotional relationship with their spouse, which we’re not.

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That’s not our job.

Our job is to help gain financial clarity for both spouses and get them to the table to a financial settlement to eventually benefit the family.

But it is a very interesting dynamic that sometimes a client can feel threatened when their spouse engage because they think that we’re not going to hear them any longer.

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They, they still feel the power of that spouse and their their prior relationship, you know, over and into the divorce process.

And the truth of the matter is, what does it matter if we’re nice to them or not nice to them?

You know, I always feel like attorneys are mean to their own clients and why that doesn’t get you anything.

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You know, we’re all ready to kill them with kindness.

You’re going to attract more bees to honey than you are not, right.

But the space that we allow for the participant, the spouse, is really the space that should be allowed to a participant in our spouse.

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And I’m going both ways.

So although they do get that feeling of, Oh my gosh, you’re going to be snowballed by my spouse.

And these are usually the ones that believe their spouses are narcissists.

And they, they, they then quickly realize that the information that we’re gathering has nothing to do with our liking of that spouse.

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We don’t have a reason not to like the spouse, right?

We haven’t lived with them.

We don’t know the real story.

But we do have a reason to want to get this data because it helps the family moving forward and particularly our client, because it helps them get information that they don’t have to go pave to get through a different way.

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So she, I bet she shares that because she was one of those ones that was like, oh, you’re going to think he’s charming or she’ll probably say that or, you know, she got a little offended that I got along so well with him.

But in the end, she was very happy that we got along so well with him because we got more information than she would have ever gotten.

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And quite frankly, he, we were able to be frank with him.

So he saw the reality of what was happening because we had that relationship of sharing information that had nothing to do with liking him over her or her over him for that matter.

It’s liking the family to have a better process, to go through this process, a better way.

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And that’s what the MD’s method is.

Absolutely.

And and I’m going to say that she probably benefited from empowerment by being able to replicate the patterning of that beyond divorce, right.

She could see just the pragmatic conversation, the engagement of communication and discussion in a different way than there.

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What I call their marriage contract was their emotional marriage contract.

So by watching us engage with him in a different way than she could pattern after that as well.

It would be interesting to know if she agrees with that or not.

Who knows?

But I I do think we’ve watched her emerge a a very confident and thriving person.

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Yeah, which is really inspiration for us at the end of the day.

Yeah.

OK, let’s invite her in now.

And we’re thrilled to welcome Nicole Farhad to the podcast today.

Welcome, Nicole.

Hi, guys.

Good to see you again.

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So good to see you too.

So good to see you.

In this episode we’re going to discuss real people, real situations, and real divorce.

A client’s journey through the NDS process.

But first, I’m going to take just a couple minutes and introduce Nicole.

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Nicole is a dedicated divorce coach who has helped countless individuals navigate the emotional and practical challenges of divorce.

But beyond her professional expertise, Nicole has been through the My Divorce Solution process herself, gaining clarity, confidence and a successful outcome along the way.

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She’s become our go to person for offering guidance and support to those who may feel apprehensive about taking the first step, providing invaluable insight from both a professional and personal perspective.

Again, welcome.

Thank you.

It’s good to be here.

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Oh, so glad that we get to have this conversation because you have been a very valuable resource to our clients, our potential clients and we really appreciate your offer in that space.

My pleasure to recommend you guys, you were invaluable to me.

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You really helped the whole process feel much smoother and achievable and less overwhelming.

I remember when you came aboard and you’re like, Catherine, my husband’s never going to participate in this process.

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Never correct.

Yeah.

And as a, as a coach, you know, our coach clients love to tell us how we should do it because you’re very successful in what you do, right?

So for us, but.

We, we always say, but we have a method like we, we know how to do this communication and it was really hard for you to let go a little bit and let us do that communication.

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Talk a little bit about that and how you felt and how surprised you were that he actually participated.

It became this magic that you had where you became part of the village that I assembled and now I help women assemble where he was uncooperative because he was certain that he was right about everything.

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And that was just his personality.

However, what I realize in retrospect is spouses don’t necessarily care how they look to their wives, especially when their wives are choosing to divorce, but they do care how they look to the outside world, to professionals who are involved.

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And yeah, I think you at one time said he was actually very charming because he wanted to appear cooperative and collaborative and, and sure, let me just meet your timeline and, and make sure that you guys have everything you need so that he could maintain appearances.

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And while I wouldn’t say he’s super high conflict, it was difficult at first to get him on board the the emails back and forth where you chose this without me, how could you?

But the emails that included you guys were like, it’s so nice to meet you.

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I really look forward to working with you.

So again, managing perception, I realized I needed to step back and let you guys do what you do because I wasn’t getting anywhere and you got everything.

So it’s fantastic.

Yeah.

Well, it’s just nice to, you know, hear from your perspective.

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We have a lot of people that call us and they say exactly that.

My spouse never participate a way.

And for us it’s like let let us let them be charming, let them give us the information needed.

You have to give that information anyway.

But even if he stopped participating, at some point, you had so much knowledge that was given to us that you could take on that you didn’t need to do subpoenas for, you didn’t need.

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Absolutely.

You saved us so much money, so much money.

And that’s what you know, that’s why we’re so thankful that you talked to clients or prospective clients because they want to hear it from you.

They want to hear it from the person that actually went through our process, you know, so.

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Yeah.

Giving this insight and also where it ever where it leads you to with your own career now, which is really phenomenal.

I’m so proud of you about that.

Thank you.

It’s interesting to note that my attorney recommended that I be a divorce coach, she said.

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Have you ever heard of that?

I have a background in psychobiology and medicine, and I’m the girl that, you know, people tell their whole life story to, right?

And in the divorce process, she said, I’ve never had a client that was so unemotional for emotional things, right?

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I experienced emotion, but I didn’t factor it into my decision making.

And I was able to kind of be level headed and strategic about the approach, right?

If I’m going to have six of one and half dozen of the other, but I know he wants that, why am I going to fight for that?

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I’ll take this.

It’s the same, right?

So instead of.

Being that, getting the knowledge through our process though, because you were emotional when you started.

Absolutely.

And I think the the whole process of making that choice is very emotional because it’s not necessarily a choice to leave your marriage because when women decide to leave, it’s been a long time coming of let down the disappointments and not feeling mutual reciprocation for input into the marriage.

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But it’s, it’s a decision of I now need to value myself and my worth and my future and reflecting on the fact that I lived in such a way that I really didn’t, I didn’t allow myself to be valuable and I allow myself to be demeaned or talked down to.

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Even if it’s a nice human being, there are still spouses that will say, you know, you don’t need to deal with this.

I’ll handle the money.

You wouldn’t understand now.

Before I had children, I had a six figure income.

I was very knowledgeable and very, you know, capable, but you assume this traditional gender role of I’m going to be the stay at home mom with kids.

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And that’s not the case for everybody who seeks your services.

But it is a very emotional one because you’re like, I don’t know if I can live without this financial input.

And so coming to you and having you guys work on the budget with me and showing me a bottom line number that the documentation supported, I could take a breath and I could go whatever he wants to talk about, it’s OK because bottom line, I’m going to be OK, my kids are going to be OK.

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And that was that helped calm everything down.

And then, you know, working with clients, talking to them through the same emotions I had was, well, I don’t know that I can spend the money to hire them and I don’t, I say, I don’t know that you can afford not to because what they do over a long period of time with their portal and the documentation, the emails back and forth, just count how many emails we interacted.

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That would be 4 to $600 a pop for an attorney.

And those emails are not bullet pointed and concise from the spouses.

They’re emotional.

So we factor out the emotion as coaches and as your financial advice and we get down to basics of here’s what we’re talking about.

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And from there we can make better decisions.

So when, when you guys e-mail me about clients that are interested in working with you, they always say, I’m scared.

I don’t think that my spouse is going to be OK with it.

I don’t know if I can afford it.

And so when I talk to them, I say, number one, first thing, it doesn’t matter if your spouse is OK with it because your spouse is probably not OK getting divorced because you have crafted a life that is so comfortable for them.

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They don’t want you to go.

You have decided that this is best for you and your children if you have them.

So this is the first step in making choices for yourself instead of for them.

And it’s going to feel uncomfortable because it’s different, not because it’s bad.

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It’s just a habit that you’re breaking.

And then when I tell them the experience I had with you guys and how you were able to get things that he would first of all denied he had and then was like, oh, oh, I do have it.

You must have misworded it, Nicole, but the way Catherine and Karen explain it, right, so there’s it’s fascinating how it works, but you guys have this little genie wand and it and it works so.

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It’s fun to listen to you now, of course, right.

So we, you know, we through the process and you know, if you’re listening to Nicole, she’s talking from the viewpoint of she just wanted to be happy and that’s why they got a divorce and her husband did not want the divorce.

And there’s a lot of you out there listening.

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Don’t have that choice.

You do have that choice.

It’s also a really hard choice because you don’t wake up today.

Like you said, it’s been years in the making of whatever your needs are not being fulfilled.

It’s still very emotional.

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And with our process and you talked about saving money, tons of money with your attorneys and so forth.

You had a reviewing attorney, which was good, but you only needed to go for legal advice about something, right?

Right.

But what I admire is the vulnerability that you share when we’re on those calls, because both became very emotional.

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Right.

What I what I talked to clients a lot about is there’s an emotional value to every asset and every debt because it trickles lives or your children.

But what happens in the old system or the archaic system that’s out there for family law is typically you would go to your attorney, show your emotions and they try to share those emotions with the other attorney who then brings back to your spouse.

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And it never comes out the way you intended it.

Absolutely.

But because space allows for the two of you to be on that Zoom call.

And you?

You were, you felt safe enough that you can share your vulnerability about an acid decision that you were making.

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It wasn’t emotions, but there were emotions attached to it.

And when he got to see that, he understood it because it was coming from your mouth and sitting with him and he showed his anger or his emotions and he was emotional at times, right?

And you got there because you were prepared, but at least safe to do that.

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And that’s why parties can come to a compromise on things because you both right.

So I so so kudos to you for to sharing that and being a part of that to get to a good decision.

Well, so circling back, so one, I felt very supported that I had two very strong women at my back with armed with information and ready to be like, hold on.

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And I remember there was an interaction where you were like, hold on, hold on, Sir, that’s not true.

And yes, I’m a neutral, objective third party, but facts are facts and that’s not a fact.

And Nicole, you need to know that that’s not a true statement.

So #1 he was kind of checked, like, OK, there’s a boundary.

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We’re dealing in facts here, right?

But holding space for the emotions and talking about the, the choice to get divorced.

This, this is what I start with my clients when you say like, I got divorced because I wanted to be happy.

I tell women you have every right to create a life where you’re happy.

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And if your spouse is not committed to collaborating with that, if they’re happy with the status quo, they’re not around.

They’re fill in the blank with whatever their situation is.

If they’re not, you know, great parents to the children, like divorce can be the opportunity to make a huge impact and make both people and the children happy.

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It often is the next option for a father who may not be involved to go, oh, I need to wake up.

I have a handful of years left with these children.

I need to put time in and the wife generally orchestrates everything.

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And now when we’re not, they have to see how that is.

And they also come later to value what we’ve done in order to run life.

But kind of a quote that I live by, which I think works with divorce coaching and with you guys.

It’s by Glennon Doyle from Untamed.

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It says, are you living the truest, most beautiful version of your life?

And if you’re not, do you have the courage to change it?

She says to burn it down and build something better.

I don’t want to be that destructive, right?

Let’s let’s minimize the damage.

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But truly to envision even a year from now, it could be totally different.

And you’re going to be happy that you did it.

And your spouse is probably going to be happy.

There’s going to be some growth moments where they go, they have that epiphany.

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I could have done it differently and I still have time to do it differently in the future.

So it’s a really important, pivotal moment, making that choice and then assembling your village of women, men too.

But it’s for me, assembling a village of women who have my back.

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How did you find?

How did you find us?

So I literally went into Spotify and I typed in divorce help right and podcast came up.

IA couple other people that you’ve interviewed their podcast came up as well, but yours kept coming up because I would type in questions, what do I do if I’m worried about losing the house?

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What do I yeah, what is a marital asset?

Is this marital?

Is this not what is this a fair and equitable state or 5050?

So I started to get into the nitty gritty of the questions and each time you guys popped up as like, hi, it’s Catherine and Karen.

We’re back again to talk about blah blah, blah.

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So your voices actually are very comforting and very reassuring because they always came with, I feel safe from, protected and supported.

And now full circle, I am a divorce coach helping women to feel that way and to have the resources right.

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I think a lot of women get so scared they jump and get an attorney.

Wrong choice.

Get a coach, get your finances in order and start talking about your reactions to things because money is emotional and kids are emotional and those are the two big buckets of divorce.

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Dealing with your finances and what’s yours and how you’re going to live in the future.

And then in some cases, if you’re sharing custody, like how do you help your babies handle being away from you?

Navigating time with a parent who hasn’t been the primary parent, generally speaking.

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So there’s a lot of emotion around it.

And we got to pull the emotion out to bullet point for the attorneys because the attorneys just go advocate for the legal stuff.

The the judge doesn’t care that, you know, you’re fighting over $500 Dyson vacuum because he never vacuumed and you did.

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And now you’re $10,000 into litigation over an emotion.

So stuff like that comes up all the time.

How much do you think you saved attorney wise coming through the MD’s?

Process.

Oh my gosh, let’s do the math, shall we?

OK, so let’s figure out we, we did probably 25 emails, I would say at least three hours online, Zoom getting you to e-mail him separately to get documentation, organizing it.

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Like let’s put just throw a number of hours out. 50 hours maybe.

So 50 times my billable for my attorney who I adore and who loves you guys.

By the way, what’s 50 * 600?

30.

Thousand $30,000 and it the minimum people.

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Know is that that’s $30,000 of maybe billable hours to an attorney but it’s also because we gathered so much information you probably got more than you would have gotten with the information that we had right so the.

Absolutely.

Asset division because I know that he, you know, compromised in areas there he didn’t want to and he would have never compromised.

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Would have never right.

And he did and, and I think also financially speaking, your, your option, like your budget list of all of these different things that you should consider was three times as long as what I’ve seen from any attorney I’ve worked with, even with other clients and myself, your yours is comprehensive and it helped you think long term.

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And so I was able to advocate for my future self at a flat fee with you guys as opposed to the hourly with the attorney because every back and forth it just, it’s, it’s kind of a nightmare even with a great attorney.

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And I love my attorney.

She was like, when you’re done, bring me their stuff and I’m going to fight for you.

So that was great.

Yeah, I want to comment on the math.

For sure, yeah.

Because you know, the math of working with us is getting that financial knowledge right.

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And if you didn’t have that financial knowledge, your conversation with your attorney would have been more emotionally driven because you were ready to word your spouse wasn’t at the same point that you were.

So sometimes our clients are the ones not ready to move forward and sometimes they’re the one that was ready to move forward 1st.

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And so well, the space between those two emotions being neutralized where the one spouse has, you know, caught up with the other spouse.

Lot of attorneys fees in that area, right?

Oh.

Yes, over the top, but you’re dealing with emotions of betrayal or vulnerability or whatever the IT may be, right?

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You can even start talking about moving the divorce.

Forward.

Because spouse is reacting with revenge or panic or whatever, and the other spouse is saying, let’s get moving.

I’ve been planning this for years.

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So you know, there’s value in it.

And I also wanted to comment on something else you said, Nicole, because we hear a lot of a lot of this, the Karen and Catherine Jeannie wand.

I love that you said that.

This way.

But I think what people don’t realize is this, the NDS Genie wand, we’re just implementing it right by going through the step by step process and learning and neutralizing and learning some more and understanding the dynamics with your spouse that you never would have considered before.

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That genie wand is the method that we have the benefit of founding and creating, but it works no matter who which advisor you have.

You had the benefit of me and Catherine, of course, but I just wanted to mention that as well because I think it is important that people are able to reconcile that, that investment in divorce coaches and in financial knowledge or streamlined and efficient, but also more permanent in your life beyond divorce because you’re developing skills during the divorce process that’ll be impactful forever, right?

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Right.

Absolutely.

And I still reference my portal that still lives somewhere in the cloud and I go back to it to confirm things, to double check, like, hey, what about this, right?

And it is just kind of like a a little living entity of safety.

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And I think what it does working with you guys and working with a coach is we talk about building your own confidence in running your life and knowing that you can have your own financial security and autonomy.

And what does that look like right now?

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Often times an attorney, not mine, but generally attorneys will say, tell the woman don’t get a job, just be as completely like just net zero money so that you get more in the end.

But you guys didn’t say that you were like, we can figure out like, what are you?

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What are you making?

What can we work it into?

And you know, my personal situation, like I teach yoga and fitness.

I left, I left medicine and a six figure job, raised my kids and then now instead of saving lives, I’m saving souls.

That’s the plan.

You’re right, right, But I don’t make very much right.

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But I was in a / 2 decade marriage where my time and my contribution to running life and building a career mattered.

Women are often told like, Oh well, that’s my money, that’s my pension, that’s my retirement.

No ma’am, it’s all yours.

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Like 5050, depending on the state you’re in, right?

And so arming them with that knowledge that you’re already on solid ground, even though your future acts is saying it’s just not yours, it is and helping the woman stand up and be confident for that.

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I had one client.

The husband was like, this isn’t your house, You’re not going to get it.

And he turns to the children and says, because your mother is choosing this, I don’t want it.

You have to leave your house and your schools and they’re bawling.

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And so we went through going back, having another discussion at the table with the spouse and the kids going.

I am always going to be honest with you.

That statement was untrue.

Your dad said something untrue.

And I need you to know I’m always going to stand up for you.

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I’m always going to tell you the truth, age appropriate.

And you don’t have to leave.

You get to keep your house, you get to stay in your school, and you get your room and your dog and all the friends and stuff in the neighborhood.

And why could she do that?

Because she had an understanding of her finances.

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She worked with me and I might.

Send her to you actually.

But she looked at everything and guess what?

Wouldn’t you know the house is paid?

For so that.

‘D be it it’s it’s less of an issue, right?

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But they spin it in such a way that speaks to your own fears and your lack of confidence.

And then our little village of women has to, we build each other up and we go, let’s talk facts.

And divorce is the beginning of changing your marital relationship to a business relationship.

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It’s absolutely business, but it doesn’t feel like it.

There’s emotions.

And so we talked about the emotions for much less than $600.00 an hour because your attorney doesn’t isn’t trained and doesn’t need to talk about the emotions with you.

They need to advocate for you once you decide what you want.

And you guys help women decide what they want and what they can reasonably expect to get and all the different options.

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ABC, all your division scenarios.

Fantastic.

So many people do seek hesitate to seek financial guidance during divorce, So what would you say to somebody who’s unsure about working with us?

Well, I’ve had, I’ve had this e-mail back and forth with lots of women.

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I even hop on a call to to tell them my, my story of working with you.

It is an investment in yourself.

So when you decide that you’re ready to make a huge life change and divorce is absolutely that, you wouldn’t expect to make any other life change without support and help, right?

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Take it from a fitness instructor, say you want to, and yes, divorce coach, but it’s holistic, right?

Mind, body, spirit.

If you want to change, you’re outside and you’re inside.

You’ve identified the goal, but you don’t have expertise in it.

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Most women who come to you are not financial analysts, They’re not accountants.

They maybe not even are dealing with their finances.

The the man handles everything.

And so they feel so incapable because they’re just lacking experience.

Right.

So I say today’s day one, you’re going to start to make a change.

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We’re going to deal with the emotions that come, but you can only deal with what you know to be true, right?

The client that was like, the house is paid for.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, it’s paid for, different scenario.

She got information, you guys give information on all the accounts, all the retirement, pension businesses, savings, checking.

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And then you help us think about, for example, you know, assets you didn’t even know you had.

You guys got me a a good settlement in this situation because you were like, we’re going to need the key to the cryptocurrency.

And then we had crypto.

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I don’t know I had crypto, right?

And so not to make it personal, but part of what we do is personal.

We’re vulnerable, right?

We share our historical perspective on it objectively so that these women can think through what their choices.

And I know that, Catherine, you’ve shared before that you were married to a narcissist, which I think is why you have magic with every high conflict human being because you have a PhD and how to not take the bite to circle back to let’s talk about facts.

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Yeah.

So you guys?

Work your magic, live training.

Right.

For real.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That’s funny.

That’s true though.

It is, right?

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And the little flick of the eyebrow raised, like there’s a whole bunch of stories behind that, you know?

But you bring it to help women.

And I often feel like the wounds that were given are meant to help other people.

So we went through these things so that we can bring our knowledge and our support to women and say, you don’t have to do it alone, right?

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True.

Yeah, true.

As a group, we’re much more powerful.

Right.

Yeah, super powerful.

So the key takeaways I’m here and they’re here with you is that one you have to get prepared.

Nicole was fortunate enough to come to listen to our podcast and now she’s on our podcast.

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Who wouldn’t know that would happen that.

So that is just fantastic and we’re so happy to have you here.

But you know, get the financial knowledge you have before going to your attorneys, before doing anything, because it really does change the course of your process.

She’s a living breathing example.

Not only did she save thousands and thousands of dollars with attorney fees, but she also also got more money than she would have probably gotten in a settlement.

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So we add that on top of it.

I don’t.

I don’t think we charged you enough.

Probably not.

But you know what, the number of clients I got, you were even.

OK, that’s good.

But yes, actually looking back at it, I think you should do the math for clients, you know, because just facts are facts.

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And that is actually how I approached my spouse at the time, was if you’d like to go back and forth with attorneys with your love of long emails that are extolling all of the things that are wrong with me and that I don’t deserve, why don’t we do it for flat fee?

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That makes more sense.

Then you can just have fun, talk all you want.

Yeah, I remember emailing you.

Catherine, he’s at it again.

Please go ahead and respond to him.

And you did.

And you talked him off his ledge and it all worked out.

It’s true.

I remember.

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I’m getting flashbacks now.

Yeah, yeah, I I totally remember.

Well, that’s super important if if the woman is either scared of her spouse, not to the point of like abusive, but like just fearful because she’s talked down to her, treated like she’s stupid.

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They’re not going to talk to you like you’re stupid.

And so you become like kind of the bouncer, like you’re not going to get to her unless you get through me though having that support and being able to go you deal with him.

Here’s the papers I need.

Go get it.

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Thank you so much.

Right.

It made it so much less emotional of an interaction because it was less interaction was when you’re divorcing, you’re separating, you’re limiting and then ceasing interaction for the most part.

So there’s this big burst of too much interaction at 1st and you guys were able to kind of make that a little road less traveled much easier.

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Yeah, and a very important take away here of which Karen and I are super proud of, and it’s our clients seeing you thrive post divorce is what the MD’s mission is.

We want you your.

Family.

To thrive post divorce and you’re just that.

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And now you’re helping millions of women yourself.

To.

Process a better way so that I we applaud you for that, you know, congratulations.

Thank you.

Yeah.

We’re really proud of.

It is.

It’s an honor, honestly.

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So it makes having gone through it make sense, right?

Eventually, ladies, if you’re thinking about getting divorced, I’m not talking to you.

I’m talking to your podcast team and the listeners like it’s if you’re thinking about it, there’s a reason why.

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And there’s something inside of you telling you that you can imagine a better life and you need support to do that.

And we’re here and don’t go run and get the attorney yet.

See where you stand, get your solid footing emotionally, financially, holistically.

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And then from that place of knowledge, you can choose to get the shark if you need it or get them, you know, collaborative divorce if you need it.

And less aggressive and less combative is better.

It just is.

Mind, body, spirit.

Nobody needs to be that angry, right?

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Let Karen and Catherine fight for you and me.

Let me fight for you.

That’s great.

Yeah.

So, Nicole, how can our listeners and viewers learn more about you and your work?

OK, so you can find me on my website, which is Nicole Jolie Coaching and I know you’ll link it down below.

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Jolie, like Angelina without all of the stardom and the extra children.

So Nicole joliecoaching.com.

You can also find me at Nicole Jolie Coaching on Instagram or Facebook as well.

Awesome.

Yeah.

So thank you for joining us today.

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Thank you so much ladies.

I appreciate you both.

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